Just watched The Passion - a Good Friday review.....

[HKRockChick]

I've been meaning to ask for a long time - whose eye is that?



And are you planning to dress it up with some eye jewelry then?

[bbchris]

Apparently the thumbs and fingers curl up if you are pierced through your wrists....



I think if you're familiar with Christ's last 12 hours, the subtitles are easy to follow. Shaun said 7 people walked out of the movie during the second whipping. I have to confess I didn't notice anyone leave (and we were sitting right by the exit...) And sometimes there was no subtitles but you didn't need it.



I couldn't care less what Mel Gibson does with his money. I think it was an ambitious project and he's suceeded by sticking to the story. That is pretty wonderful. I'm just curious why it's so important to you that Mel doesn't make any money?



One girlfriend that I met up with today also echoed your sentiment but she said she didn't like Mel Gibson (and that's why she didn't want to watch the film) and when I told her my thoughts of the movie, she said she's now tempted to watch it!! I'll keep you posted!



It said in the scmp (but you cant trust newspapers! hahaha) that the movie is very popular in the Middle East.



The whole movie has got my mind on overtime - I mean the Jews welcomed Christ as the Messiah then 5 days later crucified him. Then as he died and when he died all the scriptures came true. And still there was no "whoops, we thinks that was the Messiah" and to think that later on a Roman Emperor converts to Cathocism. And also it makes me realise I must study Judaism closer. They are still into an eye for an eye (we see proof of that everyday) as opposed to loving our enemies. Anyways, this is all just me thinking out loud. Just given myself more stuff to read.... 2004 roll on...

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[4teetoo]

since the crucifixion is NOT the point of christ's life, and the resurrection is, i didn't see the point of this film. they also left out the fact that no one 'did' this to him, he allowed it to happen, so that the resurrection could occur. people sure do love violence and blood, but ignore the good news of it all: christ lived, and his flesh didn't matter.

[bbchris]

.smack. there is some point to the cruxification - he died for our sins. And there wouldn't be a resurrection without a death. you are right though - Jesus never fights back. But wasn't it all just happening according to the scriptures?

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[HKRockChick]

If you read the bible texts, it constantly says he did it so that the "scriptures would be fulfilled" or "according to the scriptures", so perhaps they were a foregone conclusion - someone said it should be so, so they make it so.



Smack, you are correct - the most important day of Christianity is Easter - the resurrection. I would have gone and seen a movie that details the life of Christ through to the ressurection. There were so many important things that happened before and after that.



The one thing that distinguishes Christ from the other messengers of God is that was resurrected. To me it doesnt matter whether he physically was resurrected or not. Maybe in those days that was all people could understand. Maybe in these times we understand that there is something beyond the grave besides the physical and that we are on this earth to prepare ourselves for it. I personally do not believe my body is going to piece itself together on "judgement" day. But I do believe that my soul is going somewhere after this.



Chris, the Jews didn't kill Christ, they had no powers to. It was the Romans that had the power to, and who used it. But, as you said, it was all in fulfillment of the scriptures, so it was all of us...



I don't think any religion really advocates an eye for an eye. There may be text that says that, but there is also text within that same religion that preaches forgiveness and love, including in Islam. When Mohammed came down, he actually brough equality to women, promoted education etc. During his time there was a birth of heaps and heaps of schools, colleges, libraries, architecture. Unfortunately, he had the difficult task of civilising savages and nomads who only understood the language of violence, but a lot of his preaching WAS of peace and love, and "God's will" (Inshallah). He absolutely would not have condoned current day terrorists. Funny how men latch on to covenient preachings and stick to it. Its actually much easier to do that and justify it than to walk away and take the higher ground.



I like this allegory to religion - when a messenger comes down from God, he brings with him one universal truth - peace, love, tolerance, and ways of survival too, acording to the times (for example, ways of preparing and cooking food in those times of no fridges etc). Gradually his successors invent stuff that he would have said (as a way of social control), which makes its way into the "holy" books and slowly the religion gets polluted. The Bahais liken this to a glass filled with water into which you put some stones until gradually the stones displace the water until it has all run out of the glass and you're only left with the stones...



Urrrk. Just been to Easter mass, so I guess I'm still on that trip, sorry



HAPPY EASTER!



Now gimme an egg...

[4teetoo]

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.smack. there is some point to the cruxification - he died for our sins. And there wouldn't be a resurrection without a death. you are right though - Jesus never fights back. But wasn't it all just happening according to the scriptures?

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i don't believe that jesus died for my sins. i do believe that christ continued to live beyond the death of the flesh, so that i could know that no matter what worldly things may seem to happen to me, my spirit is eternally alive, and cannot be touched by anyone, and that is what i must keep in my mind at all times. i think that christ came to show us that there is more than our flesh, actually, our flesh is nothing, and that the spirit that is our true SELF is the message. think nothing of the flesh, but be aware of the eternal spirit that is truly us. the earth is just a shadow in eternity.



but, a movie about the perfection of the spirit, the living christ that is in us all, that knows nothing of the seeming torment of this world, would not make any money, nor would it cause people to run in fear to church, to save their souls from hell, and make billions of dollars for people, and gain worldly power to men.

[HKRockChick]

"and make billions of dollars for people, and gain worldly power to men."



about me wondering whether MG is going to donate the profits. Just don't like the idea of people making money out of Christ's pain and suffering, is all. Another of his teachings - leave off worldly goods...

[Steve Iannetti]

The movie was too violent.



Maybe that was the point. To show the very real suffering of Christ in a VERY graphic manner, but I could barely stomache it.

[HKRockChick]

Two archeologists comment...



www.archaeological.org/pd...assion.pdf



last sentence:



"the message that people take away from the movie should not, however, be mistaken for verifiable historical fact".



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Also note the wrist bit.



I read somewhere else that the maximum lashes that were permitted by the Romans were 29 - one more and the victim would bleed to death. Apparently Christ was lashed some 100 times in the movie - well certainly well over double the prescribed amount - there is not enough blood for TWO people with that amount of lashing. I'm really not sure how much of this stuff was for sensationalism.

[Jeff Stoll 2004]

HAPPY EASTER !

[Rev9Volts]

i went and saw it on a full moon night. one thing that makes the movie is in other movies the suspence builds up the violence as in a horror movie. here there is no suspence.