Ongoing Jihadi civil war in France....

[DreamTone7]

My answer was intentionally vague. My personal life will not become the subject of discussion on a message board. I draw the line there...as I'm sure many people would.

[DreamTone7]

BTW, it might surprise you that I support the US signing the Kyoto Treaty. I've been meaning to ask my congressman about it. I haven't met her yet.

Melody and Instruments for the soul...

[HKRockChick]

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My answer was intentionally vague. My personal life will not become the subject of discussion on a message board. I draw the line there...as I'm sure many people would.

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But you had no issue with asking me? cripes. what double standards.



And another cop out.



hahahahahahaha

[DreamTone7]

Actually, I never asked you. After reading back over the posts, I do see where you asked me, though. I took the question as not meaning "personal plan for changing myself", but rather "personal plan for the world in general"...hence, the answer I gave.



But now I see it's not what you meant...hence, the post you made with the big smiley face at the bottom (about changing your tone). Am I correct?



Anyway, I CAN answer that question...since it's centered only on the "world peace" issue. I think I need to have more patience with others. It's not an easy thing to come by when some aren't interested in listening to opposing points of view. I think a person can never have too much patience. "World peace" starts with each of us, and how we deal with each other. It starts from within, and isn't based on treaties or documents of any kind. (Though I of course do think that there is a need for such things.) It's based more on acceptance of each other...and this can require patience. That's what I can do about me.

[Galmin]

<Rev pastes some daily lunacy from boortz.com>



Dear Rev. Please feel free to post any atricle based on none or rudimentary background info to feed the agenda de jour from boortz or Limbaugh (or just any other uninformed 'journalist'). I would, however, appreciate if you could provide a link when you do. Thank you.

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Every once in a while ... but very sparingly ... someone will breach the walls of political correctness and actually let you know that these "youths" are Muslims.

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Well, they're also black. Useful information, or is it the wrong decade for Boortz?

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France, the leader of the Axis of Weasels, is under attack. Paris, home to those who condemned America for removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, is under siege

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No. Paris is the home of those who condemded America for invading Iraq in an unilateral, unsancrioned-by-UN, based on crude WMD-scare falsifications and against international law, attack. Any questions?

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-- by Muslim jihadists --

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Muslim jihadists? Had this been some 50 years ago it would have been --Niggers-- in there. It would hardly be --French citizens treated with apartheid over decades-- would it?

This is the effect of having been an empire, folks. I hope those who pertain to become one pay close attention.



This is not a MUSLIM problem. There are not JIHADISTS on the street.

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It's not just France. These wonderful peace-loving Muslims are attacking cruise ships off the African coast. Oh .. you didn't know they were Muslims? What a surprise! We heard all weekend long that "pirates" attacked a cruise ship chock full of Americans off the coast of Somalia last week. Funny how the media didn't identify Somalia as a Muslim stronghold, and report that the so-called pirates were almost certainly Muslims.

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was the attack an act of piracy? Yes. Does it matter what kind of religion the pirates may or may not have had? No. Though they come from a "Muslim stronghold" and therefore mr superbrain Boortz use that extremely hollow talking point to build his case based on bullshit. Though it seems other posters here find it to be a good post and very "to the point".



Everytime someone is being killed, everytime some crime is carried out in western countries I could start yelling "Christian Crusaders did this and that, you have only heard about a '39 year old' from the media, who do not want you to know that this is the work of the Christian Crusaders movement". I would, just as Boortz have, have the right to. It wouldn't make it right though.

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Then we have the Muslims who cut the heads off three Christian school girls in Indonesia within the last few weeks.

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Yes. Indonesia is a place where Muslims and Christians have been cutting heads off for quite some time now.

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In some Swedish cities ambulance drivers will not go into Muslim areas without police escorts.

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This isn't the first time that France has been under attack by Muslims. It happened before. It happened in 732.

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What do you call someone who lives in the slums of Paris, is being treated differently because of his/her skincolour, happens to be a Christian and is now rioting in the streets at night? If you're Neal Boortz you call that person a Muslim! Or even better: A Muslim Jihadist!

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Respect hell! These Islamic radicals are determined to remake Europe to their liking, an Islamic state.

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No. Wrong.



Boortz have mentioned --Muslim-- 15 times in that short text, --Jihad-- twice, though --Apartheid--, --Black-- or --African origin-- not once.



It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, his job with equipping the willing with hollow talking points is done.

[DreamTone7]

Galmin - "This is not a MUSLIM problem."



It didn't start as one, but it bacame one when Muslim radicals funded by Arabs payed them a visit and "educated" them as to the evils of the western world. Why do you think that up until now they only bothered targeting Jewish synogoues and such? Because they're black? Because they're from Africa? Because they're poor? Um, no.





Galmin - "was the attack an act of piracy? Yes. Does it matter what kind of religion the pirates may or may not have had? No."



Wrong again. If it was the Muslim radicals who spurred them on, it matters very much. That is unknown at the time, but considering what is going on around the world, is more than likely. Do you think a group of Muslims would have just randomly decided to do this on their own? Methinks not. Methinks what's happening in Paris is having an effect around the world on the activities of radical Muslims...thanks to the media.





Galmin - "Boortz have mentioned --Muslim-- 15 times in that short text, --Jihad-- twice, though --Apartheid--, --Black-- or --African origin-- not once."



"Apartheid", "Black" and "African-origin" have all existed for quite some time now in Paris. The difference is the influence of Arab-based Muslim radicals on this group of people. That's the catalyst that has brought this about, and without which we would have no riots. Bottom line. Case closed.

[Galmin]

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"Apartheid", "Black" and "African-origin" have all existed for quite some time now in Paris.

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The difference is the influence of Arab-based Muslim radicals on this group of people. That's the catalyst that has brought this about, and without which we would have no riots. Bottom line. Case closed.

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Uh no. The riots are taking place because the rioters think that two young local men got electrocuted because the police were chasing them. That the Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy calls them ' s c u m ' doesn't really defuse the situation. Quite the opposite. I believe that the riots should be cracked down hard upon to end this all.



How did the LA Riot start? Remember that? What is because radicals fuelled the fire or was it because the L.A.P.D. officers that beat the living daylight out of Rodney King on video were cleared to go beat someone else up the next day?

[DreamTone7]

The LA riots were not organized...the Paris riots are. This is the work of Muslim radicals and their teachings. The end-goal of the Muslim radicals is the death of all non-Muslims...to which end they are proselytizing all they can. The end-goal of people in LA was (except for a few early incidents) a new TV for their living-room.



Maybe you'll understand the difference, Galmin, when they reach your neighborhood...or the neighborhood of somebody you know. It won't come today or tomorrow...but it's coming. The longer people wollow in the stupor of the Politically Correct rather than take action, the more people will suffer.

[Rev9Volts]

boortz.com/nuze/index.html nov.7 date.



i got it from willie's

[bitwhys]

some of the reading I've gone through has claimed that at least at one time most of the "muslims" in the "suburbs" weren't of the practicing variety. decades of neglect created the very breeding grounds extremists thrive in - an oppressed and marginalized sub-culture.



the thing about the initial incident is that the cops usually don't go in there. that says a lot about how outside the mainstream of society these people have become. time will tell how much control the political wings of the islamic movement have earned for themselves during the years of neglect that lead up to this situation.



I seriously doubt any forecasts that this will lead to anything substantial outside the effected areas.

[Rev9Volts]

even the liberal washingtonpost.com disagrees with y'all....



Fires in France





Tuesday, November 8, 2005; Page A18



THE RIOTS in France have provoked their own mini-storm of misinterpretation, outside the country and among some of the French. So it's worth noting what 12 days (so far) of car-burning, looting and occasional shooting in the poor suburbs of Paris, and now dozens of other towns, is not about. It's not the European version of an intifada: Islamic ideology and leaders play no role in the disturbances, and many of those participating are not Muslim. But not all the demonstrators are hoodlums and drug dealers either, as some senior French officials portray them; anger over high unemployment and racism has been building in these ghettos for years.



It's also too facile to say that French authorities have ignored the problems. Billions have been spent on urban renewal: High-rise projects have been torn down and enterprise zones created, much as in some American inner cities. As in the United States, interlinked problems of jobs, schools, crime and discrimination have not easily yielded to government solutions. Yet until now, many in France assumed that what they regard as a superior "social model" protected them from the eruptions of lawlessness that in recent years have touched Los Angeles, Miami and New Orleans.





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Caught by surprise, slow to react, plagued by political posturing and finger-pointing, the French leadership is demonstrating that poor crisis response is also not unique to U.S. administrations. Yet beneath the disarray -- embodied in the simultaneously laconic and belligerent behavior of President Jacques Chirac -- some fresh thinking is evident. Ironically, some of it comes from Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who has been pilloried by the demonstrators and left-wing press for his own ugly rhetoric. Mr. Sarkozy recently suggested that France abandon the pretense that all of its citizens -- including an estimated 5 million Muslims -- are treated equally, and adopt affirmative-action policies. He has also promoted the idea of a peaceful and tolerant "French Islam" to compete with imported ideologies of extremism.



In the short term, French authorities have to take forceful measures to restore order. Should the violence persist, extremists could use it to create political or religious causes that do not now exist. But in the medium term, France would benefit from the kind of reexamination of its policies toward minorities and immigrants that Mr. Sarkozy suggests. It's no longer reasonable to pretend that the poor Muslim descendants of North Africans in crowded housing projects are indistinguishable from all other French. If mainstream politicians do not fashion an agenda of inclusion for them, more militant actors will have a vacuum to fill.

[bitwhys]

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education? destratification? integration?



a shiny new ghetto is a ghetto nonetheless. the problem stems back to the guest worker program and everyone knows it. the social cost of cheap labour.

[Galmin]

washingtonpost agrees with me, Rev. They're probably 'Europeans in denial catering to terrorists', too.

[Galmin]

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This is the work of Muslim radicals and their teachings. The end-goal of the Muslim radicals is the death of all non-Muslims...to which end they are proselytizing all they can. The end-goal of people in LA was (except for a few early incidents) a new TV for their living-room.

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Did you notice the fatwa is against the rioting? No?



Most of the rioters are third generation French nationals. The claim is that they don't feel accepted as French, they don't feel that they are arabs, and (surprisingly) they don't feel any affiliation with the Muslim faith.



Think juvenile delinquency plus race riots, not jihad.

[Rev9Volts]

SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. I READ IT TOO oops dam capS key...