No WMD's? No problem! At least we're honest!

[debbie mannas]

Imagine, that it had to take a WAR, thousands of deaths, and finally no WMDs to come to this. Why wasnt all this questioned when it was proven their information was BS, BEFORE the war, when the whole world was protesting???? Well, maybe this whole exercise was a lesson to the world and to Americans in itself...



This administration and blair are likely the most loathed and corrupt folks in the world. I'd go further: because their world reach is far greater, their crimes are far more heinous than anyone else's on this planet.



If you come over to Asia you'll see that bush is a laughing stock here. But a dangerous one. I only hope that the backlash in the US gathers momentum, and people realise how badly they've been suckered. And that the New American Century thingy document is exposed for the fascist piece of tripe it is, and rumsfeld and his gang of thieves and murderers are run out of the country. FAT CHANCE.



Again, I'll repeat, I wouldn't be surprised if this administration stages or comes up with something sensational to divert people's attention. I would not put ANYTHING past them. They are evil.

[LarreeMP3]

...kick ass on anyone we want. Aren't you glad that I have no desire to run for president?

[LarreeMP3]

...I don't seee what's so bad about terrorist hunting. I am glad that we are tracking, hunting, and killing or capturing terrorists. I wish the Palestinian PM would invite us in to hunt hamas animals in Palestine. Anyone who wants to kill children, women,and harmless civilians is an animal, and they deserve whatever fate they meet. That is what hamas likes to do and everybody knows it. As far as I am concerned, it's hamas hunting season. That's way more exciting than hunting rabbits, ducks, or lions. It's even better than whale hunting. Let's roll!

[debbie mannas]

Is THAT what you think they're doing?? havent been very successful at it, have they?



ossama's still on the loose, al qaeda's still going strong, afghanistan is a mess, iraq is a mess... there's been no real crack down in Saudi, israel is still violating god knows how many UN dictates, hamas is still going strong, bombs going off in bali and a big giant one would've gone off in the UK if they hadnt found it in time...

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You can apply that to bush and his cronies and to Israel as well. and ANYONE wishing the death of other people, Laree.



Seems to me a handful of people are getting rich on the blood of thousands.



But the world still has its terrorists. And some of them are sitting in the whitehouse.

[Galmin]

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Seems to me a handful of people are getting rich on the blood of thousands.

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Anyone with a tie to the Carlyle Group would gain from any war; be it CalPERS, Bushes or until recently even bin Ladens.



Qui strange.

[LarreeMP3]

...about hamas, hezballah, islamic jihad, etc., does not have a clue.



I support ALL efforts to rid the world of these terrorist groups. I don't care who gets rich because of it.

[LarreeMP3]

I simply feel that it is totally insincere to diss America as hard as the anti-American propagandists do, while saying practically nothing about the terrorist groups that are causing the problems. America is not the problem. Israel is not the problem. The UK is not the problem. The TERRORISTS are the problem. They need to be wiped out by the legitimate nations of the world. They need to be disarmed. Period.

Edited by: LarreeMP3 at: 6/17/03 6:07 pm

[NRKofOver]

I agree with Larree, let's invade Ireland!!!!!!!

Read all about ME!

[NRKofOver]

And after that, we should invade Idaho!

Read all about ME!

[debbie mannas]

and Pakistan, and Saudi, and while we're at it, why not go after that no good Mogabe too, terrorising his own people. How about N. Korea... god knows who THEY'll sell those nukes too oops...

[Galmin]

Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations (as of August 2002)

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)

2. Abu Sayyaf Group

3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade

4. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)

5. Asbat al-Ansar

6. Aum Shinrikyo

7. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)

8. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)

9. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)

10. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

11. Hizballah (Party of God)

12. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)

13. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)

14. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)

15. Kahane Chai (Kach)

16. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)

17. Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)

18. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)

19. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)

20. National Liberation Army (ELN)

21. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)

22. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)

23. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)

24. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)

25. al-Qa'ida

26. Real IRA

27. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)

28. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)

29. Revolutionary Organization 17 November

30. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)

31. Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)

32. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)

33. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)

34. Communist Party of the Philippines/New People’s Army (CPP/NPA)



Need more? No problem:



www.specialoperations.com/Terrorism/SOCGuide/Default.htm

[debbie mannas]

story.news.yahoo.com/news...games_dc_1



Mandela Slams U.S. Iraq Policy During Irish Visit

Fri Jun 20, 3:30 PM ET Add Politics to My Yahoo!





By Michael Roddy



GALWAY, Ireland (Reuters) - Former South African President Nelson Mandela said Friday the United States posed a danger to the world for sidelining the United Nations (news - web sites) to make war on Iraq (news - web sites).



The Nobel peace laureate, in Ireland to open the Special Olympics, strongly criticized President Bush (news - web sites) for circumventing the United Nations in order to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) by force.



"Any organization, any country, any movement that now decides to sideline the United Nations, that country and its leader are a danger to the world," Mandela said in Galway, where he received an honorary degree a day before opening the games.



"We cannot allow the world to again degenerate into a place where the will of the powerful dominates over all other considerations," he added. "That will surely prove to be a recipe for growing anarchy in world affairs."



Mandela received an honorary doctorate in law from the National University of Ireland before returning to Dublin where he will join a star-studded cast to open the 11th Special Olympics for athletes with learning disabilities.



Mandela, who said South Africans strongly identified with Ireland's struggle to end colonial rule, told an audience of 1,100 that he appreciated Irish support for South Africa's struggle to end apartheid racial separation.



Now 84, and walking with difficulty with the aid of a cane, Mandela spent 27 years in prison, much of that on Robben Island near Cape Town, in solitary confinement.



PEACE PARALLELS



He told his Irish audience he had "an appreciation for your support to our struggle at a time when it was not fashionable to demonstrate such support."



But Mandela suggested Ireland had failed to show as much backbone in standing up to the U.S. war effort in Iraq, which relied heavily on troop transports stopping over at Shannon airport in western Ireland.



Ireland also is a European base for many U.S. multinational companies.



"You are keeping quiet. You are afraid of this country (the United States) and its leader," he said.



The 30-minute speech was met by thunderous and sustained applause by an audience of academics and invited guests and by the general public watching nearby.



"It's great to see him... he fought for his rights," said Claire Rabbitte, who stood on one of the campus laneways to catch a glimpse of Mandela, wearing academic robes, as he was driven to the hall in an open buggy.



Mandela said there were strong parallels between the struggle against apartheid in South Africa and the Northern Irish peace process, which culminated in a 1998 peace deal for power sharing between Protestants and Roman Catholics.



"Our own experience in South Africa, where we confounded the prophets of doom and achieved a peaceful settlement, inspires us to believe that no situation can be so intractable that it cannot be solved through negotiations and willingness to compromise," he said.



Saturday, Mandela, former world heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali and rock supergroup U2 will open the games.



Seven thousand competitors from 160 countries have gathered in Ireland for the festival at Dublin's Croke Park stadium, the first time it has been held outside the United States.

[LarreeMP3]

...is next!



Let's roll!

[Galmin]

www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/21/bush.radio.ap/index.html

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The president defended initial administration claims about existence of the weapons and the intelligence on which they were based. Documents and suspected weapons sites were looted and burned "in the regime's final days," he said.

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Errrrrr. Let me guess: the knowledge to back above statement comes from vast and irrefutable evidence of the intelligence? ¨



Damn looters, just walking in and snatching thousands of tons of the stuff without anyone noticing.

[debbie mannas]

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...041803.DTL



The Warmongers Were Right!

A gutted Iraq, a low slaughter rate, an Exxon can for every peasant. See? Peacenik losers!



By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Friday, April 18, 2003



Oh my yes. What whimpering, unadulterated embarrassment the anti-war protesters must now feel, what heaping mountains of crow we must all imbibe. This is the general sentiment, the snickering attitude hissing from the Right like hot spittle spraying all over your nuanced perspective.



Hail the great victor BushCo! Ha! The U.S. kicked ass! Who's your daddy, beeyatch? Thump thump thump on the manly chest of great liberator America! Liberals suck! Go, war! It's Miller Time.



Yes, justifiably do the war zealots gloat. See how our multibillion-dollar high-tech superpower ordnance annihilated the little scrawny pip-squeak nation! See how we barely even broke a multibillion-dollar sweat!



Whoever dared doubt our brawn should be immediately hanged and castrated and laughed at and called many violently homophobic names and run over with a big bitchin' Ford Expedition! Snicker!





We must admit it: The hawks and warmongers were right about Iraq all along. The peaceniks had it all wrong, what with our lame pacifist whining about thousands of needless deaths and BushCo's mad rush for oil and vicious regional control and its bloody long-term plan to strong-arm the Middle East for the administration's corporate wet dreams. Nope, that didn't happen at all.



Why, look what a nice, bloodless war we just executed. So fun, so easy, so painless, so made-for-TV. Almost makes you wonder why we don't just keep right on going, maintain that momentum, some sort of ultraviolent mutation of Newton's law -- i.e., a rabidly power-mad body in motion stays in motion -- only with more decapitations and limbless children. Cool.



Damn, if only Syria were acting up just a little bit more. We'd take those sumbitches down, boy! Lebanon, too! And Egypt. North Korea. Who's next, baby? Who wants a piece of this? Bring it!



True enough, the actual battle in Iraq barely lasted a month. Take that, lame hippie war protesters! Take that, losers who said it would drag on forever but let's not mention the months and years and thousands of American soldiers and billions in taxpayer dough it will take to try to stabilize this ultraviolent U.S.-hating region from now on!



Let us not mention that no one ever doubted the U.S. military could destroy Iraq. Let us not mention the war the peaceniks referred to all along was about hate, and religion, and power, and was far larger and deadlier and more culturally deleterious than any meager battle for Baghdad. No no no. Bush rules! We won! Just wave the flag right in the face of the damn peace-lovin' hippies!



Yessir, that'll show us not to speak of the bitter international precedent we have now set for unprovoked global rogue warmongering. Coupla well-placed cluster bombs'll shut us all right up, boy.



Speak not of the seething rage America's actions have now hammered into the Islamic mind-set, loser liberals! Especially not of the newfound hate spreading like poison among them gul-dang fundamentalist terrorist cells who are right now experiencing a flush of new sign-ups, a record influx of America-loathing volunteers. Shut up about that! We won the war! Done! Over! Look no further! Repercussions are for wimps!



Damn liberals and their incessant "big picture" crapola. Do they not see the heartwarming photos? That amazing and poignant (staged) bogus PR shot of the giant Saddam statue being (staged) pulled down by a tiny crowd of (staged) cheering Iraqis, with -- what an amazing coincidence! -- the actual U.S. flag that flew at the Pentagon on 9/11 being (staged) draped around it? How can those pacifist freaks not be moved by that? Clearly, God loves America more than anyone.



And another thing the damn liberals were all wrong about? Death! All praise Rummy and BushCo for keeping civilian causalities to a minimum during the war!



Yessir, we slaughtered but a fraction of what we imagined we would in those worst-case scenarios, killed only a few thousand Iraqi civilians and merely tens of thousands of young, stupefied Iraqi soldiers, as oppose to the hundreds of thousands we were all prepared to kill if Baghdad had resisted like we thought it would. We had the murderous cluster bombs all ready and everything. Damn.



And only what, about 125 dead American GIs so far? That was so totally worth it! The world is safer! Freedom is restored! Just look at all that staggering and irrefutable evidence we have now uncovered that proves what a dire threat Saddam was to our nubile happy American virgins as well as the security of the entire world! Ha! See?



See all those nasty WMDs? Those sprawling nuclear facilities? The huge biotoxin factories? The Saddam Club for al Qaeda members? See? No? Oh. Well, we'll find them! Just you wait. Saddam probably saw us coming and moved them all into Syria. Yeah! That's what happened! Syria! Those bastards!



Peacenik dinks. Who's laughing now? The country loves its little Bush! He can do no wrong! His approval ratings are sky high! Just like his daddy's were right after Desert Storm. Remember?



Right before they nosedived to the lowest of any president in history? Right before the numbness of that vile little war wore off and everyone suddenly realized just how thoroughly and systematically and deliberately Bush Sr. had screwed the nation, massive deficits and mind-numbing recessions and sky-high unemployment and lousy schools and bashed women's rights and global anti-U.S. resentment and more tax cuts for the rich. Sound familiar?



Right. Well. Never mind all that now. Dubya rules! We won! War was justified! You liberal scumsuckers sure look like fools now, boy!



And Dubya is gonna follow exactly in his proud daddy's footsteps! Just you watch! Lose everything and embarrass the nation even further and prove himself to be a miserably dense and out-of-touch leader who's gutted the nation's coffers in the name of his WASP mafia cronies! Ha! Damn liberal scum. Man, were you ever wrong!