Is Anthony Robbins the Second Coming of Jesus....?

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

I have the same feeling for priests and nuns... and I'm Catholic heh. I know some very good priests and nuns, but the best ones never told me how to live my life, they lead by example. I knew some really pompous priests and nuns (and cruel too) which totally put me off them. At the end of the day they are human too with all our human failings.

Sterling, yes, it would get my attention if he changed someone so entrenched (that I know...

))... now how do I get this person to go... ahahahaha

questionnaire · Joined: 29 May 2003 Posts: 640

... I really think you should read the article on James Randi's site that Ron linked to above ....

Here it is again ...

Debunking Tony Robbins

Don't give him any more of your money. It's a scam. Really.

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

He tells you what to EAT and sells magnetic stuff and caps and things??? ewwwwwww

And here I was thinking it was just a simple motivational training.

OMG! :bigeyes

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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I think the answers to life's most important questions have to come from within.... - humans telling humans how to live is like the blind leading the blind........How can you think a simple, mortal, Human can guide you on such important issues?

I think that's a bit of a self-contradiction loop there, Drooly.

Expressed as Deductable Logic it would read:

A Human should not look for knowledge from a Human.

Drooly is Human.

Drooly should not look for knowledge from Drooly.

See what I mean? The problem is that as humans we often share the common human perception that our own armpits don't stick or breath is bad. I think the key may be discerning when subjective perception (interrnal) is helpful and when objective perception is helpful.

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I look elsewhere for guidance on that level.

That's a good idea, Drooly. If AR, the folks in the next apt, a cleric or anyone else says that if you jump from your rooftop, you will suddenly sprout wings and land safely - then consulting the still, small inner voice is in order! Or if you are asked to believe something that contradicts your existing belief system or religion, it should be examined with great personal scrutiny.

Now re: AR - he notes when a person tels himself that he can't do something, then that person is right. If you've ever taught someone to play guitar, you've probably heard a protege claim "Oh - I can't do this!", but with some encouragement and knowledge they "do that" and end up a guitar hero supreme down the road. That's matching a desire with knowledge & practice.

There are a lot of things where I have access to the knowledge, but no correpsonding desire to invest. I think most of us have downloaded a free program, tried to figure it out and ended up either unistalling it or never using it. Even after RTFM, lol! (As a last resort, if you can't figure it/fix it, then "Read The F----- Manual")

Okay, now - no one has descended as the Infallible Zen Master of Human Dynamics, to be sure.

But is it correct to observe (keeping it in the guitar realm) that some guitarists are lame while other guitarists can blow just everyone outta the water?

If so, then the first question is:

What makes the difference between Joe, the guitar player who's professional highlight is playing in Mom&Dad's garage and a Hendrix, Clapton, Van Halen, Les Paul?

The second question : which ones would you emulate as a guiatrist? The garage Joes who end up pumping gas or the Hendrix et. al. guitarists?

That is where AR delves, examines and quanitifies in teaching "modeling" by looking at the commonalities of beliefs, attitudes and habits of the Heros (as opposed to the Zeros.)

--By the way, if Garage Joe is perfectly happy working at the petro station, more power to him - ain't nuthin wrong with doing what you love, what your hand turns to naturally and making a living at it. That's the definition of a succesful career--

But when you look at Hendrix in addition to seeing the unequaled guitar player, you also see a person who was not happy. He either didn't have access to something to make for inner contentment or ,he did, but didn't access it. He took in a lot of influences (modeling) as a guitarist, but had no model as for working in area X,Y and/or Z in his life.

A person can be tres successful in one area of his/her life and yet be floating adrift clueless in other area(s). This is where AR has looked at, dissected, examined and talked with those who are sucessful in differing areas of life, extracted the commonalities of success in the areas and passes that info along to others.

That's the gist of ARs job - and you are right - he does make good money at it. But that's a plus to me - if he had failed in his personal motivation work, then he would have a "self-contradiction loop". "I'm a failure at personal motivation - come to my seminar to be personally motivated!"

There are also many other areas that are helpful to know, such as Chris observed:

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how to use your body to change your emotional state within seconds.

This is a change of "physiology to psychology". And as Chris also sez, it nothing new - we usually don't know or forget how to take advantage of the techniques. But it even comes out in our language now & then - "keep your chin up" e.g.

This falls in my special area of interest re:AR, communications. What a person doesn't say is more important than what a person does say. But I won't get started on Neuro-Linguistics, eliciting emotions, matching/mirroring and all sorts of other helpful commincation fun stuff to be culled, LOL.

What I'd suggest, if you like reading, and got a few bucks to spare for the hellavit ($4-5 prob - real $ of course , not that Canadian funny-money. hahaha!!! j/k!) would be pick up a used paperback of "Ulimited Power" by AR from Amazon or the like. You might find some of it interesting and/or helpful, think "eh, it's so-so" and/or conclude it's useless hooey. And that way you'd be putting a few bucks in some guy or gal pockets. AR already got his cut on the original sale, so you're not enabling or supporting much of anything with which you may not agree.

I know almost every US public library has a copy (usually on a "reserve to read" list) of this book and other AR material, so on your next trip to the library that might be an option, if you're so moved.

You might still be inclined to a negative critique after giving it some scrutiny, but then you'd have a precise base for the critique!

Hey - it's too nice of a evening here in Minnesota for me to be inside sitting at the PC and waxing philosophic! Besides, my head hurts when I have to think......hahahahaha!

bbchris

Funny reaction Debbie!! hahaha Yes, Tony does believe what you eat contributes to your health and overall energy levels so he does give health and fitness advice.

Drooly - where do you look for guidance? I'm just curious, you don't have to share. I don't see Tony Robbins as a spiritual advisor although you might. The profession of teaching people is hardly a dishonorable profession. Perhaps you have a dislike to people possessing money? None of my business by the way.

Questionnaire - I've come to realize answers lie all around us and within us and that there are masters who can offer various paths which can shorten the distance to our goals. I don't believe Tony is a scam.

It's possible to attend his seminars and if you think they are not doing anything for you, you can leave and get your money back. Life's too short for me to limit opportunities for growth and contribution. That's ONLY my personal belief.

Gregg - yes it's cost us money to do this. We made it a must and my God do we feel like it's been totally worth it plus more.

That brings me to my conclusion - I really don't care what anyone else thinks of Anthony Robbins. It's just your opinion based on what you've googled.

What any of you could be asking is what we got out of the seminar!! Instead you all want to tell me what you think of Anthony Robbins hahahahahahahahahaha

If anyone is interested:

What we got out of it was more than we imagined. I myself feel so calm and light and since coming back have already achieved a lot personally. I now see how I've limited myself in the past and how I can contribute even more to the world. I understand now the areas of my life where I want more and

how to go about bringing it up from "OK" to "Outstanding". My relationship with my family has strengthened. The change in Shaun is also amazing. Our relationship is now a level 3. People who don't know we've been to the seminar have come up to me and said things like "You look so alive."

I've chosen the purpose of my life and it makes me very very happy.

Lastly I love you all even when you don't agree with me! THis beautiful world is filled with people who contribute and give in so many different ways. You're all musicians and all give music. And it's all different music. And it all makes me happy! woooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooo

bbchris

Hey Ron!! You posted whilst I was writing my essay :blah

Hey that's a great idea - borrow books instead of buying them!! And your post was great - I'd forgotten about modelling, but it's so true!

Steve Iannetti · GweiLo Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Posts: 697

There's too many words in this thread.

bbchris

how about some photos then?

Here's one of me day after the Anthony Robbins seminar:

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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There's too many words in this thread.

Yeah, but OTOH, if you read every other 4th word backwards it proves that the Walrus was Paul. Koo-koo-kitchoo!

Steve Iannetti · GweiLo Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Posts: 697

much better

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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that's a great idea - borrow books instead of buying them!!

Well, Chris, it would've been a great idea if I had spelled the title of the suggested book correctly,hahaha!

It's "Unlimited Power" by Robbins - a basic, but indepth, look at the concepts involved.

There's also an easy to be had concise/abridged one-casette auditape of it - approx 1 hour total time, edited from early 90s seminar(s) that can be found here and there for little or nothing.

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I'd forgotten about modelling

But I think you likely took it in and processed it subconsiously, e.g. It seems Madonna may be someone who inspires you as a successful music-related female. Regardless of a person's take on her music, she obviously did something right, LOL!

HKRockChick · No More Peas! Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Posts: 1513

What have you been taking? I want some...

:ww

PS: but only if its freeeeeeee............

:wgrin

droolymutt · Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 3:48 am Post subject: Re: hey Ron!

sigh.

Too many words in this thread.

Someone change the subject, please....

HEY... - I heard on another bb that Chris is going to put up a sexy sound-clip of her speaking German......!!!!!

(Don't tell anyone, but I've heard her speak German, - and it sounds damn Lovely......!!.....)....

droolymutt · Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 4:34 am Post subject: Re: hey Ron!

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Drooly - where do you look for guidance?

Within, Chris....

Within.

RonOnGuitar · Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Posts: 1916

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What have you been taking? I want some...

The cheapest instant coffee that can be had from my local grocery store, Debbie!

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PS: but only if its freeeeeeee............

Well, it's not freeeeeeee, but it is cheap! Kinda like meself... :eyebrow