What's everyone reading these days?

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Am I trying to put you off Robbins? Of course I am! Don't give him any of your money, Chris, everything you need is available in any public library. Do I want to work on myself? No, not really, I have given up thinking that I will ever be perfect, and it would be a convenient distraction.

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hahahahaa I'm sure you'd agree I'm my own woman and can choose how to spend my money and spend my time on, Steve. Reading your response, just explains to me that you have no idea what Tony does in a seminar and are simply giving me your 'beliefs' on Tony



For your interest, Tony does not advocate 'perfection' as that would make for a dull world - imagine living with someone who insists on everything being perfect - their 'belief' of perfection too! hahahahahaha



You may not want to work on yourself Steve, that is indeed your choice, and as much as you enjoy sharing your beliefs on that, I think you have to realise the only person who can change is oneself and not others. And my choice is to be the best person that I can, spreading love and music throughout the world.



The most interesting observation is that my initial "I love learning" comment was made in regards to me studying German!! hahahahahaha Is someone a bit obsessed with how I spend my money?

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Chris, you're absolutely right, I know nothing of what 'Tony' does in his seminars. You have my complete assurance that it will remain that way forever. The only way I would pay 'Tony' £300 to attend one of his seminars is if he paid me £300 to attend one of mine



Of course you can do what you want with your money, it's none of my business. No, I'm not obesessed, I just hate to see people I like being ripped off, that's all. Learn the hard way, see if I care!



I promise I won't mention it again, and I even promise that when he is exposed as a fraud I won't even say "I told you so". I'll say nothing at all, there will be no need, because by then you will have learnt the difference between belief and knowledge.

[RonOnGuitar]

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And I think that's where your train gets derailed in a major way, Steve. Just as wisdom can be defined as the result of "knowledge in action", the opposite axiom is also quite true.



I believe if one would wish to expand a title of "professional thinker" outside of the venue of mutual admiration societies, one might be well served to consider looking at things from the objective. That is, in learning not to start with conclusions based on a prejudice/preconception and then searching for elements to support the preconception.



For example, the M.O. that encompasses grasping at such tres odd "supportive" elements as (re:America) "it's also the land of Elmer Gantry". To be frank, in the world of serious academia, that would have 'em rolling in the aisles. Just as it would if were I to conclude "Sure the Brits are good people, but they are pampered". Afterall, it is the land of "Mary Poppins". Squeezing in such non-sequiturs may cause someone to feel more sure of their observation, but in reality it's intellectually non-workable.



This is where Chris - and others - have the intellectual edge over you. Those of us who are knowledgeable of "Das Kapital", "Communist Manifesto", etc. can deliver an informed, first hand opinion of not only Marx, but quite easily note the historic colossal failure and tragic human cost of Marx-in-action. (In the US, the saying is "College faculties are the last bastion of Marxism". Well-heeled and tenured holdovers from the era of psychedelia are the only ones who can afford to believe that others should embrace Marx.)



In comparison, you seem fearful of picking up even a used copy of Unlimited Power by Anthony Robbins for £6.34 at Amazon UK. If you had access to a well-stocked library, you could check it out at no cost. Then you could deliver a criteria based on something other than oddly supported prejudice.



It's interesting to read various reviews of a film by critics who may disagree on the film's merit, but who have actually seen the film. A review by a critic who hasn't seen the film and instead writes a critique based on his feelings might have some comedic value as entertainment in itself, but would contain nothing of informative or instructional value concerning the film.

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.... don't start these spats. You are trying to put me down because you are palpably terrified and hateful of what you think are my politics. It is really painfully obvious. You have quite simply knee-jerked at the very mention of Karl Marx - the folk-devil that haunts the impoverished and unschooled imagination of the American McCarthyite Right - who I did not advocate as a contemporary political leader but merely placed in a short list of people who have challenged orthodoxies in the past.



Your attempts to patronize me are quite simply risible, and your sloppy use of English - the mark of the autodidact - is always your downfall when you try to do it. Your statements that academia is a 'mutual admiration society' and that 'Chris and others' have an 'intellectual edge' over me are simply bait, and I'm not biting today today, Ron, old son. You are not clever enough to stand over the rest of us and place us in rank order.



I don't need to read Robbins, and I never will. He is the latest in a very long line of opportunistic charlatans inspired by the junk end of American psychology, who prey on people who are struggling to find themselves in an over-heated, atomised global culture where personal ambition and self-actualisation have become compulsory survival/prosperity skills. Ron, your intellectually under-nourished country, with its gullible population brainwashed by varieties of Christianity (one of the biggest rackets of them all) and brutalised by the minimally regulated free market, has been a hothouse for charlatans for over 300 years. Prattling priests, wild-eyed evangelists, medicine-men, snake-oil salesmen, cryogenicists and now business gurus and self-actualisation experts. Oh, yes, of course, and now Bush and his cronies. And don't accuse me of being anti-American again, because I will readily admit that my country is not short of gullible people either.



You will realize this if you ever grow out of your current mind-set. However, I suspect that Chris will do that long before you. Now, you must excuse me, I have two book contracts with bona fide academic publishers and I have some proper research to do.

[bbchris]

Steve .. no one is attacking you here. I have a belief that you are a very intellectual and interesting individual who is mature and creative. I'm sure you don't need to resort to putting people down to get your significance need fulfilled.



And Steve, as no one aspires to perfection on this board, I love you for being you. Beautiful. What you contribute is great! I never asked you to stop mentioning Tony Robbins or to stop doing anything. I'm very happy with you being you. Your music and your wisdom I will always enjoy.



A belief is when one has absolute certainty about something. One's beliefs determines what we find.

Ron has a right to write his beliefs and share his views. And so do you and I and anyone else that posts here.



Sometimes Steve, people are merely commenting on the conversation at hand and not dragging everything they know about a person into a post. For example, I was refering to learning German and you chose to interpret that i was talking about Tony Robbins.



I believe that everyone has a purpose and that is why they are alive. And we all chose to do what we do.`

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And I like you the way you are, Chris. That's all I was trying to say, you don't need anyone to change you because you're a nice person in the first place. I won't bring up Robbins again - I've been swimming 'round here' for a long while, and I was just trying to warn you that there are a few sharks in the water, that's all!



And you're right, Ron is entitled to post his beliefs. As ideas in his head and text on a computer screen, his beliefs are harmless. However, when some of them - his political beliefs - are shared by others who make up the right-wing constituency in the West and put into action, they have specific effects on the world. Currently, the nature of these effects indicate that they are both false and dangerous.



I'll say no more, because this is the wrong forum.

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